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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:15:00 -
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I see this as using a game as the means to an end. Not playing a game and taking advantage of the mechanics.
Pulling people outside of the game for their twisted amusement is the modus operandi of pedophiles and psychopaths.
CCP could wash their hands of this legally, but once something bad happens out-of-game things will get really bad for them really fast. The press is not your friend, CCP. Nip this in the bud.
Mittanigate was a worldwide sensation (in the gaming press) and what he did was nothing compared to what Erotica1 has going on. You are in for a world of hurt if you don't get a handle on this.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:27:00 -
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Marcia en Welle wrote: So we should base our stance based upon how the press will react? Isn't that pretty spineless and what we despise politicians so much for. I wont take any morale lectures from the press that is for certain, and CCP should not too.
Righteous indignation doesn't keep the servers running. Welcome to the real world.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:53:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:
What law was broken, cite the specific statute and provide proof of your prosecutorial/law enforcement credentials?
Forest for the trees.
Who cares if a law was broken. Arguing that is a pointless waste of time outside a recognized court of law in the appropriate jurisdiction.
The forest, in this case, is the perception and what CCP is going to do about it before it hits the mainstream media. Games have been set back months or even years for less.
Promoting asshatery in a game sells subs. Allowing it to be carried out of the game loses them. CCP is well aware of the situation and the perception is that they don't care.
That's going to come back to bite them on the ass.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:18:00 -
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It's not about legal issues. It's not about cyber-bullying. It's not even really about Erotic1 (except as a catalyst for this discussion).
What the basic issue is is how far will CCP allow in game harassment to be moved to out of game harassment by total psychopaths?
Will it be addressed when it hit's the gaming press? Social media? Or worse for CCP, when it hits mainstream media and they suddenly are being hammered with requests to hear them justify why they stood by willfully ignoring the behavior that led to someone snapping and hurting themselves or someone else?
How quick did they jump on The Mittani? Why aren't they all over this before it gets out of hand for a change.
This is not going to go away.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:29:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:
Much as I hate to break your little trollish bubble, but as has been noted many times by those coming to E1's defence, said verbal outburst by the victim happened OUTSIDE Eve. Therefore no EULA violation. You can't have it both ways...
No you cant. Either they are both punished, or neither is.
Or CCP takes it as a wake-up call to modify the TOS/EULA.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Cool, almost to page 50. I have the greatest level of respect for this awesome game CCP lets us play. If Hilmar posted in this thread something like "Hey Ero, a lot of us think the bonus rounds are really funny, but we would prefer if you did xzy differently, maybe start a bank instead," I would totally honor his request. So many people up in arms over something that happened awhile ago (and widely read on www.minerbumping.com in a 4 part series) because some guy named Ripard? posted something. Instead of the "to the stakes!" talk, let's do what CCP falcon asked early on and remain civil. Thanks. Hey look, a psychopath sadist talks about civility. So Erotica tell me, hows it going? You humiliated any more vulnerable people today, maybe made one or two cry? You would like that wouldnt you. So what about this "vulnerable person" who is both racist and willing to harm in RL?
Reminds me of my wayward youth when I got beaten to a pulp by a few of the local constabulary. I said a few things about what I wanted to do to them and their families as I was being kicked in my already broken ribs.
The point is what he said was wrong but I perfectly understand him lashing out.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:just going to point out that you've confirmed your stance that running a scam in a game that encourages scams, is to you, less acceptable than physical violence. I would laugh and applaud if someone kicked Erotica1 in the face at a Fanfest. Nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA. I would also laugh and applaud if Erotica1 was banned from the game. Again, nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA. Wouldn't you? no, i'd have the person A) arrested for assault, and B) sectioned for not understanding the difference between a game, and real life. we've gone from breaking the eula in an irrelevant spaceship game, to breaking the law.
Kind of what this thread and the blog is all about.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:24:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:Mag's wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Erotica 1 got someone to sing.
You want someone to kick them in the face in RL.
I wonder, which is worse...
Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes. Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did. So you're defending him in condoning RL violence? Not at all. I'm pretty sure all of the words I used were English and two syllables or less. I'd be happy to explain any that are beyond you. Not at all. I just fail to see how anyone could defend his stance. He is after all, condoning violence over a singing contest.
Singing contest?
I don't think your internet is working if what you got directed to was a singing contest because that sure isn't what I got out of it.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast. If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse.
No.
They really don't have to do anything they don't want. They make the rules, not you.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast. If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse. No. They really don't have to do anything they don't want. They make the rules, not you. Mr Epeen they do make the rules, people are fine with that. when they pick and choose when they do and don't want to enforce the rules, and do it in a fashion that exempts certain people... that's going to cause upset. rules are applied to everyone, that's the point of rules, to ensure everyone is on a level playing field.
Are we even talking about the same company? CCP applying the same rules to everybody?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:54:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Dave Stark wrote:british accent.
any other questions you need answering? YEah. Whats a British accent sound like? Is it like an English Welsh Scots or Northern Irish one? And which part of those places does it sound most like the accent of? In the area I live in (Robin Hood land) we hear such colloquialisms as 'ayup me duck' and 'nowt wrong we that'
That sounds just like my sainted mothers Newfie 'English'. I grew up with her and still didn't have a clue what she was saying half the time.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:03:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Navi Annages wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Greetings, Thank you for taking the time to submit your news tip to CNN. This message is your confirmation that we have successfully received it. A CNN representative will be in touch with you if we are interested in exploring your tip and require additional information. If this is a breaking news event and requires immediate attention, please call 404.827.1500 and select option 1.
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mmmmhmmmm. There looking for death and destruction. Not some funny troll. People send them weird crap everyday. You think this audio file is any different? CNN works in departments. Killing and blood is for front page news. But their tech department right now is looking for some juicy action - its all boring usual tech news atm. I will be honest, chances CNN will pick this up are slim to none, but I sent the links and a TL:DR to about 20 news sites now. With any luck, this will snowball. Lets do a comparison. 70 titans die and battle costs 500,000 in rl assets. right? This makes headline news all over the internet. Not Cnn but it did make yahoo.com news. So your gonna push them to do a news story over 1 bil of isk. Your pathetic.
It's not about the ISK. It's a human interest story. And trust me, they'll run with it if there's nothing more interesting going on.
I'm neither saying it's the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do.
I'm just sayin'.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:09:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote: Then I guess first world problems have a priority over 3rd world problems. Congrats. You've assisted in dumbing down the public some more.
Don't need my help for that. The American public are doing a fine job of it all on their own.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Silvara Nocturn wrote: This entire thread is arguing semantics and bad analogies and should be nuked.
It should.
Needs more Tippia, to be honest. That's when the fun really starts.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:40:00 -
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Now that U.S. prime is over, anyone want to take bets on how few 'blame the victim' posts we're going to see?
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: To my knowledge she wasn't underage,
Not good enough. That simple half sentence begs for more detail. Much more.
C'mon. Spill.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:34:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:"Source: EVE News 24" Jesus **** Yeah, that was pretty funny. I do wonder what Ripard is up to, though. Clearly he's trying to force a confrontation with CCP on the matter by trying a media blitz after his own fashion. As evidenced by his use of as much hot button, inflamatory, charged language as he can shovel into his blog. Did he just not get his way on something, and is throwing this tantrum now? Jester's post was written after the Massively post. He's trying to coat tail on Erotica 1. Massively references Jester's article.
Time warp? Or are you just really stretching to make some nebulous point?
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:49:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote: Those are facts and quite obvious actually problem is CCP is a money hungry ***** so it will do whatever serves best it's interests and it will have nothing to do with moral or legal implications. Just business.
CCP has a legal obligation to maximize profit. Agree or not, that's the way it is.
The question is, will it maximize profit to dump Erotica1 like a dirty diaper or to hope the whole thing blows over? In my opinion, CCP trying ride out the storm and failing miserably after hoping something will blow over is a very common occurrence. They need to grab the bull by the horns on this one and wash their corporate hands of obvious psychopaths using their game to lure in victims.
It won't go well for CCP if this gets any traction in the mainstream media due to a slow news day or an EVE fan in the news department.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:16:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Word is CCP is actively investigating the incident.
Permabans for E1 and Co. Source? Because as far as anyone can tell, no rules have been broken. (Wishful thinking is not a source)
I read it in a dev post earlier. But you want to know what the chance of my dredging through this forum so you can park your lazy ass and do nothing is?
Right. Go find it yourself.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:49:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:How many of you ***hats are actually associated with the "Bonus Room" torture?
I have been invited to join by people that obviously never read my posts too closely.
Nonetheless, I felt the need to somehow rebrand myself as the thought that someone felt I might find it entertaining to witness stuff that would make a normal person sick to their stomach made me feel more than a little dirty. Then I remembered that it's not me that's the psycho so why should I have to change. And here I am still being me.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Goldiiee wrote:You know Ero 1 could have used a valuable lesson from the Mittani, simply apologized before it turned in to a 92 page threadnaught and the whole thing would have been forgotten and fallen to page two of GD within the hour; But true to EVE form, defences, justifications and HTFU have slaughtered any chance of a tactical retreat.
Yeah we are looking at Seppuku as possibly the only safe way out now , but no worries you can make a new alt and be back in business in a few weeks.
Well you could have.
Seppuku is literally ritual sucide. You're suggesting he kill himself.
Reread the underlined and then apologize for being a moron. All will be forgiven.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 07:42:00 -
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This is about CCP allowing psychopaths to use their game as a tool to lure victims.
No more. No less.
I don't understand the controversy. The answer seems plain enough. Just because he manages to technically stay within the rules doesn't make it okay. It just means that like most psychos, he's clever. Hardly worth the hero worship I'm seeing in here.
I'd like to think that most of those supporting Erotica1 are just trolling or taking the ****, but I don't think that's the case. I think that these people actually think that taking what's encouraged in game and moving it out into the real world is perfectly acceptable behavior. And I am disheartened to see it.
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*sigh*
I see the U.S. prime contingent are back with the old the-victim-is-stupid-so-what-happened-to-him-is-perfectly-justified schtick.
Hurting stupid people is actually much more heinous than taking advantage of someone that should know better. This ain't some slapstick comedy on the telly. This is real life. When you hurt people in real life it's bad.
When a game company allows you to use their game to fish for victims, it's even worse.
Do you people have any morality left?
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:39:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote: but Ero and friends didn't do so to cause in real life mental distress. To try and get some tears? Sure,
Wat?
Making someone cry seems pretty RL distressful to me.
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Capt Starfox wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Capt Starfox wrote: but Ero and friends didn't do so to cause in real life mental distress. To try and get some tears? Sure,
Wat? Making someone cry seems pretty RL distressful to me. Mr Epeen He never cried. Yelled a lot, but not cry. Way to try and lie your way into looking like you know what you're talking about.
I wasn't commenting on what happened. I was commenting on the seeming contradiction of what you said that I quoted. If you are trying to get tears, then you are by definition trying to cause distress. Hope that clears things up for you.
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Things are getting a little wacky again. Let's see if we can rein it in a bit with a simple question.
Do you feel it's acceptable for a game company to knowingly allow obvious psychopaths to use their product to lure victims into out-of-game situations?
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Brusanan wrote: "Sociopath" and "Psychopath" are colloquial terms, not medical ones. They are different shades of Anti-Social Personality Disorder.
Ohhh, I know. Like I said, one of my pet peeves. You'd think if a game company were going to be dumb enough to do something like deny access based on medical disorders, that they'd use the correct terminology! The diagnosis of ASPD and DID also take a ton of observation and testing. IIRC, there are even specific warnings that say "Do not use a single incident of ASPD-like behaviour as a basis for diagnosis."
A game company in no way needs to diagnose anything.
All they need to know is that their game is being used to facilitate bad people who want to do bad things to people. It's not even a question of whether they would be morally corrupt in letting it happen. The real question is how will this affect their bottom line if it somehow manages to get some press.
It doesn't take much to see a company go from on top to a has-been thanks to determined people that get the right thing made viral. It would behoove CCP to get this sorted in a way that makes them shine in the best possible light. That means not trying to hide behind semantic legalese while making excuses for doing nothing. They need to paint themselves as the game company that draws a line between RL and game life.
Be a leader CCP, not another pass the buck loser company.
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Time to flog the dead horse again.
The issue as I see it is not who should be punished. It's what should CCP be doing about this?
A problem has been identified and CCP is aware of it (see dev post in this thread). While it's at the same time both a complex yet simple situation, there can only be one solution. CCP can not allow themselves to been seen to allow sick people to use their game as a hunting ground for victimizing people.
Especially this game. One that promotes anti-social behavior as a selling point and pride themselves on catering to the lowest common denominator of brutal MMO players on the internet to sign up. And there's nothing wrong with that as long as they keep it in game. It's one of the things that make EVE what it is.
When it moves out of the game you have a problem. It has now most definitely been seen to have moved out of game.
CCP needs to be seen as the type of company that shows zero tolerance for this behavior, in my opinion. And they need to do it soon. The longer this festers, the more traction it will gain in the gaming press. I don't think any press is good press applies in this situation. They need to jump on this harshly and with haste. If they sit back and mull things over for a week, they will be screwed as I see it.
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I'm curious. Why is everyone (well a good percentage, anyway) using a guys racial slurs and death threats made after the fact to negate everything that led up to it?
Strange way to justify what a freakin' sick douche does for jollies.
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Jenn aSide wrote: He decided to stay and try to get his 'stuff back and when that failed he THREATEN THE LIFE of anohter human being, racially absued someone who identified himself as being of African descent and went crazy.
In other words, the reaction was worse than the cause, and the reaction removed from sensible people any sense of sympathy we would have had for the 'victim'.
Yeah, whatever.
By your own reasoning it doesn't count because it was made outside the game and thus breaks no rules.
What's good for the goose...and all that stuff.
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Ripard Teg wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:One thing you didn't address Ripard is what you believe should happen in response to the actions and behaviour of the victim of the scam in this particular case.
Ban one side, but what about the other side here?
I believe Erotica 1 should report this matter and provide the full soundcloud recording to his local law enforcement, as he is directly instructed to do by item #5 in the EVE Online Terms of Service. I'm sure they'd be quite interested.
LOL!
I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that one.
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:Ripard Teg wrote: I'm sure they'd be quite interested. Are you serious? Do you honestly think any law enforcement agency in the world would take this seriously because a few nerds are upset over a video game and someone said ******? Get a grip.
You just pretend to be that dense, right moose?
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:This is emotional rapists trying to justify what they do by staging a show that, no, victims are not really hurt at all.
E1 thinks its OK to inflict emotional damage on handicapped people. "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"
Neo-**** guys down the road in a seedy bar think its OK to **** a girl too "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"
Hurt feelings are not real harm, and are not analogous to real harm.
Not saying that I agree with Luminous, but good God are you that naive. Hurt feelings are not real harm?
LOL never been with a real woman, have you?
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You know, I hadn't been decided yet as to whether I would vote for DJ FunkyBacon or not. But his blog has been pretty much the best analysis of this, and is basically how I feel as well. Take the time to read it. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com/ Meh, I think he misses the point entirely. It's obvious that there's no criminal, civil, or EULA/ToS violations. The problem, IMHO, is that the whole situation makes EVE (and CCP and us) look bad. It's guilt by association. Whether we like it or not, CCP, and we the players, are now "co-owners" of that damnable SoundCloud recording. If CCP and the player base do not condemn it, then we will be seen as implicitly supporting the out of game humiliation and degradation of people, which contravenes most basic societal norms. Does anyone really think that it's good for us to be perceived as being so sociopathic that we'll hurt people in real life over a bunch of pixelated assets? That we're so jaded with virtual tears, that we crave real tears? No. Just no. tl;dr - Erotica1 needs to be publicly shunned for bringing shame and embarrassment on EVE and its players. Then your real problem, much like me, is with Ripard Teg. Because this was around for a month before he chose to make it an issue. It was less of an issue than "mission runners are getting screwed" this last month, *until* he decided to go on a press blitz with it. Why he chose to do this is the only real question left.
The only real question left is why did we, as a community, wait so long to get a thread going about this?
Ripard is a catalyst. Erotica1 is the problem.
It's to our collective shame that it's taken so long for enough people to get fed up with him.
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Andski wrote:Berendas wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community. Well we can have him removed from the CSM but due process and paperwork is gonna take about 6 weeks. I'll get right on it. m Best of luck and swiftness in accomplishing this. The community will be much better for it. Mario Putzo wrote:Good thank you Mike! I appreciate the support in keeping the CSM a respectful embodiment of the EVE community. whoosh
Not often we're on the same page, but no kidding. These guys are hilariously uninformed about what's going on in the game they apparently never actually play.
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Mario Putzo wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Not often we're on the same page, but no kidding. These guys are hilariously uninformed about what's going on in the game they apparently never actually play. Mr Epeen Two people who don't know the definition of facetious
Actually, I suspected you were just having some fun. But the other two...
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Remiel Pollard wrote: There are many out there who enjoy being angry at me,
No kidding. Really?
It's certainly not because of your dismissive, abrasive and dull witted posting I'm sure.
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The Erotica 1 supporters have been desperately trying for the lock for a while now.
I do believe they will manage it with the filth they are posting now. Or maybe we'll just get a much needed thread trimming. Guess it depends on who's on shift.
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kyperion wrote:Everyone knows emotional pain is real, and depending on what it is can be worse than physical pain.
Being made fun of on the internet is not, in any way shape or form, analogous to real torture. Ever. I don't care if you lose your space pixels or not.
Of course it can be analogous to real torture. Not the sword in the fire with a back drop of an iron maiden type of torture. We'll leave that for the fantasy film buffs to cream over.
No: It's more analogous to what is now called enhanced interrogation in the halls of polite and fluffy govt ivory towers. And I should mention that the phrase 'being made fun of' belittles what's actually happening. You can drive the right person to slit their wrists with words alone if your grasp of social manipulation is twisted enough. Or you can bring some right up to that point and then back off to do it over and over until they snap.
How many links would you like to tragic ends for people that have been 'made fun of' on the internet. Twenty? Fifty? One hundred? I can link them.
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Navi Annages wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Hiljah wrote:I played in a sandbox when I was a kid. One time I found poop in it. I took the poop out. Then I went back to having fun.
+1 Lowlife scum who crap in our sandbox need to go. I'm gonna take a deuce in your sand box right now. I've scammed over 200 mil to date in the name of taking donations for sohkar's return. Scamming is new inventive and fun. I wonder if I should start the Super Bonus Room full of cordial individuals.
Pics or it didn't...well, you know the drill.
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Wanting to remove scamming altogether is a valid topic for discussion, albeit a seriously unpopular one.
I might suggest it for it's own thread though. It's outside the pale of this one, in my opinion.
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kyperion wrote:It demonstrates the need to put an end to the scamming sub-culture of EVE. Mr Epeen wrote:Wanting to remove scamming altogether is a valid topic for discussion, albeit a seriously unpopular one. I might suggest it for it's own thread though. It's outside the pale of this one, in my opinion. Mr Epeen Well, at least you lot have shown your true colors now.
By suggesting we keep this on topic? Okay...thanks, I guess.
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PotatoOverdose wrote: Let me ask you something: what is a billion isk to you?
A PLEX and a bit. How depressing is that with 5 currently active accts?
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I believe that if CCP want to keep some control over the situation, they need to be seen as responsible enough to self regulate.
If they sit on their hands they might just find some government agency headed by a liberal petty bureaucrat regulating for them. Not a good precedent. Once it's out of their hands things will go from inconvenient to downright repressive really fast.
In this instance, CCP being proactive wins over reactive 100%.
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I believe that if CCP want to keep some control over the situation, they need to be seen as responsible enough to self regulate. If they sit on their hands they might just find some government agency headed by a liberal petty bureaucrat regulating for them. Not a good precedent. Once it's out of their hands things will go from inconvenient to downright repressive really fast. In this instance, CCP being proactive wins over reactive 100%. Mr Epeen That's not even an argument, that's a small, petty insinuation of a possibility of a threat of prosecution where no previous international legal precedent exists for something that isn't a crime in the first place. You lot are just hilarious.
Plenty of precedents in plenty of industries of this happening in nanny states. Not just industries but you as an individual. Go without seat belt? Hardly. Smoke near nearly anything? No way. Talk on your phone where you want to? Yeah, that'll happen. Do you know how much choice over your own life you've lost in just the last decade?
Think about it and then think again about what might happen in MMOs if they don't learn to self regulate.
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Too many people learn to internet lawyer from prime time television.
Makes my day reading your professional analysis of the situation at hand and the legal ramifications for all involved. Anyone with even a first year law school education would be laughing their asses off reading this thread.
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Space Juden wrote:Roggle wrote:Space Juden wrote:Roggle wrote:A racist, homophobic, who threatens to commit murder is scammed. Ya he is a real innocent victim here... Even if what you said is true, if homo"phobia" was a real fear and "racism" wasn't innate in everyone in at least the pretense of social outgrouping. What does it matter? Do juries decide sentencing based on the pathology of the victim? The "victim" broke the law (EULA) when he threatend to kill someone. It's not a gray area like what E1 did. Yet no one is mobing up with pitch forks for his head. Guy was a jerk, greedy for money and violent. Let him rot. I don't really have a side in this, I have opinions about it though. It's just mildly irritating that people are proposing that everything which happened was retroactively justified because in a rage the scammee said bad words
Things work that way on backwards days. And, as it happens...
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Dacus Minor wrote: I do not think this should be about the victim's choice but the actions of the perpetuators and whether one considers them 'normal behavior' or not. The rest is gossip...
If you think this behavior is 'normal' then... I rest my case.
For you and all the rest that condone these actions, including Erotica1 and the gang, all I have to says is: what goes around comes around... Most of us do not condone erotica 1's actions. I find them repulsive. But Erotica 1 broke no rules and has expressed every desire to stay within CCP's guidelines. If CCP calls for him to change or stop his behavior, he will. They have not done so. You shouldn't be banned just because someone feels you should be banned. You get banned when you break the rules.
I'm curious.
Were you you as understanding of Somer, who essentially said exactly the same things you are attributing to Erotica1?
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lollerwaffle wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Do any of the folk speaking up for Ero think that the making fun of a person's speech impediment was acceptable?
I would like to think that even the most ardent 'Eve Online laissez faire' folk find the part of that whole sorry episode unacceptable. Do you think that the 'victim' using racist and homophobic language, or issuing RL death threats was acceptable? Both are in the wrong. No one should be banned just because someone 'feels offended', which is actually how this silly threadnaught got started.
Correct.
But someone should be banned for using CCP's game to fish for people to then take out of game and abuse to their sick little heart's content.
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: "Grr, not breaking the rules but I don't like you anyway."
That's not really your call, is it?
It's up to CCP whether any rules were broken. CCP makes the rules and CCP interprets them. Not me. Not you.
I suppose we'll find out soon enough, so give it a rest about rules. It just doesn't wash.
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: "Grr, not breaking the rules but I don't like you anyway."
That's not really your call, is it? It's up to CCP whether any rules were broken. CCP makes the rules and CCP interprets them. Not me. Not you. I suppose we'll find out soon enough, so give it a rest about rules. It just doesn't wash. Mr Epeen At least we provide some support beyond: he makes me feel bad on the inside. But you are correct, CCP will decide.
Any 'support' you provide is moot. And I don't make a habit of willfully misunderstanding your posts for some perceived advantage. Why don't you offer me the same respect?
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You know the common character in the movies? The violent criminal that loves to taunt the cops and DA with his superior intellect. Oh, they know what he's up to, but they can't quite get him because this guy read the TV book of law and now knows exactly how to break the spirit of the law while technically staying within the letter of it.
Not that it really matters. He's just such a lovable scamp that we adore him anyway. We see him as the victim and because he's so gosh darn cute in the way he sadistically manipulates people we clap at the end when law and order lose.
You know what? THAT **** AIN'T REAL!
Out here in the real world you don't get to play the not-technically-breaking-the-rules card. When the people who make the rules know you are being a ****, you get stomped on. When your sycophants try to come to your rescue, they are ignored. When it happens in/out of an MMO it won't be long before people are asking, Erotica who?
Oh yeah. Good morning everyone.
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Good grief!
I never post that much in a single thread. At least not since the Incarna release. I'll just quietly back out of the room before people start to think I actually care one way or the other about this shitstorm.
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Out here in the real world you don't get to play the not-technically-breaking-the-rules card. Mr Epeen That's nonsense. Do you know how many people I have ACHED to arrest but couldn't because there wasn't enough evidence to file a case/no probable cause/not even enough reasonable suspicion to detain them. You can't imagine the number of times I've had to listen to some prosecutor tell me why a charge was dropped or downgraded to something lesser over some technicality when we KNEW the person was 'guilty' and had handed them what we beleived to be an iron clad "not even Jesus can help you" case. Knowing is not enough,it's what you can prove to a jury to 6-12 people.
If you live in the U.S., you break at least fifty laws before breakfast.
Blame the lazy lawyers for not getting convictions. It's not because of a lack of rules. If someone wants you bad enough, you go down. No matter how clever you think you are. And that's with ROL in a modern democracy. If CCP, as a dictatorship, feel it's in their best interest to get rid of Erotica 1, he's gone. Plain and simple. No amount of not-technically-breaking-the-rules will change that.
That's the real question. How will CCP swing on this?
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Jenn aSide wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Everyone should understand this. The victim was only there because his assets were on the line. no, Sokhar was there because of greed. He abusec Erotica 1 in local before trying the ISK double and then his greed took over. His responsibility 100% for his choices. Erotica 1 never approached him. He began the entire thing as anyone does that tries an ISK Doubler. He added the extra bit of abuse in local just for his own reasons though. And that's it. Where ti not for his greed, Sohkar would not have been in the bonus room to begin with. People with sense know that you don't get something for nothing.
Last time I checked with any normal person, using the victim being stupid as an excuse for abuse wasn't really kosher.
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Erotica 1 wrote:
In the event that CCP provides an exception due to my expired passport, allows anonymity due to death threats, and allows my candidacy at all by ignoring angry carebears with pitchforks, then I'm certain that whatever the final vote tally is, I would get far more votes due to this event than would have occured otherwise.
Don't ask for much, do you you special little snowflake?
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Vaju Enki wrote:So when is Jester being banned and kicked from the CSM?
The wheels are already in motion.
It'll take about six weeks. I can't remember the page but it was stated in this very thread by another concerned CSM member trying to do the right thing.
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Berendas wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. The thing is, this should not be a crisis, it shouldn't even register on CCP's radar. People getting scammed, and even being invited to voice comms is a regular occurrence. The only reason this is even a thing is because an influential player took it upon himself to sensationalize and exaggerate this whole matter for his own benefit. What CCP should do is lock this thread and say no more on this issue, because in reality this is just business as usual for EVE.
Really? Is that what they should do? Just lock it? Because you said so?
Or should they do what they are doing. Using it for feedback and a time killer while they formulate a response to an issue that would have come to a head sooner or later with or without Ripard as the catalyst.
They're giving us the respect of allowing us to post our feelings on this matter unmoderated. How often does that happen? If I were you I'd just back out of the thread now since you are so offended by this rare concession from CCP.
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Xuixien wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just to inject some factual information:
1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue. 2) So have the CSM. 3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.
excellent, now everyone can get on with ignoring the whole issue like they have been for the months it has been going on. Yeah. The issue they were ignoring for months until Erotica 1's life was threatened by a mentally unstable client. Somehow this means Erotica 1 is in the wrong.
You post exactly like Baltec. Exactly. It's uncanny once you see it.
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Here that? The choir of angelic voices that literally float up off the page when a lot of the posters in here spell the word 'Erotica 1'? They usually say that right after they spit out 'that racist bastard' and 'CSM sock puppet'.
It's cute and all, but a tired and overused technique.
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Most people seem to be differentiating between the scam and the theatre afterward, pointing to the theater as the over the top humiliation they find objectionable.
If you separate the scam itself from everything-that-happens-after-in-the-bonus-room, A. what does it have to do with EVE/CCP and B. How is it any different than a prank call by a radio show?
Would you like a few links to DJ's being fired after these harmless prank calls?
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Dave Stark wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Danalee wrote:You should read between the lines, they are going to cut the dead weight that sokhar the racist is. Good riddance! D. Maybe they will...he shouldn't have said those things. I'm not here to make excuses for poor behavior unlike yourself who will go to the mat for a creepy individual who asks his contestants to write his name in peanut butter on themselves and send him the pics what's wrong with asking people to write their name in peanut butter on themselves and send proof?
Because it's just weird. Some fat neckbeard fapping over some other fat neckbeard smearing himself in high fat spread gives me the heebee jeebies.
I consider myself pretty open minded. But this? Nope. Too much for me to picture.
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I remember back a long time ago when Clinton was in the White House.
As was his wont, he did something stupid and Hillary ended up calling a news conference. In a complete break with tradition she just sat there taking question after question until the press finally ran out of things to ask her.
I see CCP in the role of Hillary in this thread. They're just sitting back and in an unprecedented move for them, letting it run it's course.
Props, CCP.
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Billy McCandless wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Go back to bed Billy, or else I'm gonna tell your sister you were playing in her underwear drawer again.
sniff okey aye wil deffnate lee lissen wen Ma'Baker tels mi its passed mi bed thyme an ders nuthin fore mi two sea hear its ver diss terbin in hear sow imma goe two bed
It's okay, Billy.
Just sit at the top of the stairs and be very quiet. It's fun to listen to the crazy grownups, sometimes. And this is one of those times.
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H aVo K wrote:Dani Dusette wrote: But it's legit gameplay within the boundary of this game. Unlike the issue which this thread is about. Maybe you can answer where so many have failed, then: What makes this gameplay less legit than other acceptable types of "tear extraction"?
The gameplay that consists of some psychopath using CCP's product as a tool to lure victims to a private site for his sick pleasure?
That gameplay?
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Kristalll wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:H aVo K wrote:Dani Dusette wrote: But it's legit gameplay within the boundary of this game. Unlike the issue which this thread is about. Maybe you can answer where so many have failed, then: What makes this gameplay less legit than other acceptable types of "tear extraction"? The gameplay that consists of some psychopath using CCP's product as a tool to lure victims to a private site for his sick pleasure? That gameplay? Mr Epeen So, when Skyfighters pointed a CCP employee and made him sing Barbie Girl to get released?
Why do you quote? None of your responses ever have anything to do with what's above them.
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Kristalll wrote: so you're saying that Skyfighters doign a singing ransom on a CCP employee was not using CCP's product as a tool, to pull someone into a EXTRENAL VOICE SERVER for their pleasure?
And to top it off, you start every response with 'So'. That's just ******* annoying.
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Tor Norman wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Can anyone tell me what the problem is? Why are people so outraged and angry?
Erotica offered to quadruple his space-game monies if he gave her it all Sokhar wanted to take the deal, gave her all his space-game monies Erotica asked him to read articles and sing songs to get the payout Sokhar played along for a while, then got sick and raged
To me, thats an utterly trivial string of events - it's nonsense, a wasted couple of hours, and a setback in a video game.
Why on gods green earth are people acting like Erotica bullied him, tortured him, broke in-game rules, broke real life laws, or anything else.
Please, I really would like an explanation - and not just a regurgitation of the sensationalist claptrap Ripard Teg spewed on his blog for page hits / to demonise a competing csm candidate.
I'll wait 331 iterations pages into this thread and I too, am still waiting for an explanation better than "I think it was mean".
To be honest, "I think it was mean" is a perfectly acceptable reason.
You know why? Well obviously not and if you haven't figured it out by now, you never will know.
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If your premise were remotely true, then no one would ever win. And people have.
Friends and family don't count.
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Korhaka Mirunas wrote:Why does it make any difference if you can actually 'win' or not in the bonus room? If so its a gameshow, if not its a scam, either way its not a reason to ban someone from the game. Even if you can never ever win (which is demonstrably false, others have won before)... even in that worst case scenario, it would only mean that the bonus room is a scam. And scams are not just within the rules of EVE, but a deliberate intended feature.
The scam is over 5 minutes into the two hour recording. Justify the rest of the recording.
I dare you.
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Mario Putzo wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Korhaka Mirunas wrote:Why does it make any difference if you can actually 'win' or not in the bonus room? If so its a gameshow, if not its a scam, either way its not a reason to ban someone from the game. Even if you can never ever win (which is demonstrably false, others have won before)... even in that worst case scenario, it would only mean that the bonus room is a scam. And scams are not just within the rules of EVE, but a deliberate intended feature. The scam is over 5 minutes into the two hour recording. Justify the rest of the recording. I dare you. Mr Epeen Its hard to justify a guy who utters death threats and racial slurs.
Yeah but let's pretend that playing the recording from front to back instead of your version (back to front) was the accepted norm. Explain Erotica's behavior.
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Xuixien wrote:Liese Shardani wrote:Kristalll wrote:So, to be clear, if you were walkign down the street, and saw someone with a booth that said "YOU COULD BE THE NEXT WINNER!" and was asking somone to sing karaoke, you would step in and stop his chances of winning? Okay, there's telling someone he has to sing karaoke to win a prize. Sounds harmless enough. But then there's telling him he has to sing with steak stuffed in his mouth and mayonnaise dribbling down his chin...and write Erotica 1 on his torso in mayonnaise...and take a picture of it. https://soundcloud.com/philip-smith-24/erotica-1-customerYou see those two things as equivalent? Where is the part that it's all entirely voluntary lost on you?
Which part of, "We just took everything you have ever worked for in this game and if you don't participate in our sadistic ritual, you'll have no chance of getting it back", is lost on you?
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The part where pixels aren't real seems to have escaped you.
Give me yours. No biggie. Just pixels after all.
If you don't contract them over, then I will assume they have some value to you and your entire premise is moot.
Logging in now.
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:Yes, pod someone who stays docked. Brilliant. I'm sure you're using some secret Jovian module that shoots through station walls or something; must be expensive but well worth it, I hope?
There are some places/people in EVE that are completely safe. What? You are aware that Ero has a killboard, are you not? You can't have one of those if you stay docked all the time. Oh, come now Remiel, don't let the easily verifiable truth get in the way of a good witch hunt.
Yup it's pretty impressive.
30 kills with 15 of those one guys pod over and over. The losses look reasonably legit though.
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
E1 is there, in the event that you'd like to take a crack at it.
No. Because 1) Jita and 2) I'm not partial to enabling him in whatever scheme he's cooked up to try and distract people from the issue that's got him so afraid.
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Space Juden wrote:Let's face it guys, this thread is the best thing we have in our sad, twisted, petty little lives and it's great
I've certainly seen nothing quite like in here before. CCP going full hands off?
Anyone who complains about over moderation on the forum from now on gets a link to this bad boy.
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Kristalll wrote:Pew Terror wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:and none of you find the name of the twitch stream offensive?
history weeps
m Naming yourself after the event that started the mass slaughter of jews... Seriously sometimes i wonder where society is going with online interaction becoming the norm for a large percentage of people. Because forgetting the past is better?
Forget? No. Respect? Yes.
If he called it 'twin towers'?
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Cha'ka Khan wrote:
As a side note.... Has anyone considered what the original guy thinks of all this attention? How the entirety of the community is now using him as a pawn? (Just a thought)
Seriously dude. Do you even have to ask?
This is the internet. No one gives a crap about him, Erotica 1 or any other involved parties. They just want to win space arguments.
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Mike Azariah wrote:Pew Terror wrote:
Nah education on the topc is good. Im german myself, i had relative in the war. We had 2 years in school on the topc alone. Its just from my cultural background that the topic shouldnt be taken lightly.
Derailment but true story . . . I tech high school, mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki to my math class (grade 10's). A few looked confused and one asked why those cities were important. I honestly stood there stunned for a moment before whispering "seriously?" and they were m
I've gotten plenty of blank looks when bringing up The Beatles, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin. It's a crying shame, the lack of education of our youth these days.
It's The Beatles for Christ's sake. How could you not know who The Beatles were?
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He's stupider than I gave him credit for. How did he convince himself walking into that set up would be a good idea?
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Space Juden wrote:Pew Terror wrote:Kristalll wrote:Pew Terror wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:and none of you find the name of the twitch stream offensive?
history weeps
m Naming yourself after the event that started the mass slaughter of jews... Seriously sometimes i wonder where society is going with online interaction becoming the norm for a large percentage of people. Because forgetting the past is better? Nah education on the topc is good. Im german myself, i had relative in the war. We had 2 years in school on the topc alone. Its just from my cultural background that the topic shouldnt be taken lightly. As a jew, I've often wondered "what if we just got sick in the camps and the Germans tried to cremate us?" The larger question I think and how it relates to this thread, is how do vested interests interact with a commonly held (supposed to be detached) view of ethics and morality when matched with second hand evidence? Is there any truth that can be gleaned or are we all hopelessly jaded? For instance, what do we know about what happened? And should we do anything about it... Do we have enough to make a judgment, if you find that you do you're obligated in some degree to pursue the persecution and punishment of Erotica1 and his cohorts. If you don't then... respond in his defense. I don't like idiot's. But I don't like psychotic sadists that take advantage of them even more.
I'm not sure how that fits with what you said but I just felt like throwing it out there.
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:Xuixien wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:He's stupider than I gave him credit for. How did he convince himself walking into that set up would be a good idea? Mr Epeen The setup... to have a civil and polite conversation? Indeed. He has the balls to tell his side and Epeen calls him stupid.
Maybe it's just me, but if I got screwed over by a bunch of manipulative douches, I sure wouldn't be going back for seconds.
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Remiel Pollard wrote: This has never been about Ero v Sokhar, it's always been about hate for Ero. That's it.
Hates a little strong. Let's leave it at extreme distaste.
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Oh good Lord! I just realized it's only me and the sycophants left posting.
I'm out.
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